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care. john nichols and ruth connip join me. >>> lindsey graham's response to criticism to his attacks on susan rice, but republicans still have some explaining to do. bob shrum and tara dowd will join me on that. >>> and ohio secretary of state is hatching a new scheme to rig future elections for republicans. nina turner, state senator from ohio, will join me. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using #edshow. we're coming right back. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." today, two big food chains actually changed their tune on obama care. the ceo of papa john's now says that he will go along with the affordable care act without punishing employees or customers and a major denny's franchisee has
'll cover that with our headliners. senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. plus our powerhouse roundtable. matthew dowd, joe klein, ruth marcus, david sanger of "the new york times" and peggy noonan of "the wall street journal." >>> then ben affleck. >> you saw your parents killed? >> with war breaking out in congo, he's here live on what can be done to stop the fighting. >>> and -- >> i'm jonathan karl, i'm going to show you how this clipper will bring bipartisanship to washington. >>> hello, again. you just saw one small step for bipartisanship, is there more to come in washington? congress is back to work this week. top priority, a deal to block those automatic spending cuts and tax increases now set for january 1st, and some smart money is starting to bet that the president and congress will find a way to avoid that fiscal cliff. stocks up this week in anticipation of a deal with the dow clocking five straight of gains. and black friday consumer spending was down as well. now let's bring in t number one senator dick durbin and top republican lindsey graham. senator, welcome in. senato
in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10-1 ratios on entitlement reform. i've had long conversations with lindsey graham, and he would -- he says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. and as i suggested, i said senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn. >> all right. pink unicorns, part of the fiscal cliff discussions now. let me bring in cnn contributor anna navarro who claims she has never seen me during the daylight. great to see you during the daylight, anna. >> how are you, john? >> good, i'm doing well
's lindsey graham and he is most likely going to attract a primary challenger. this is not without risk but it's significant. it's not only the senators. you have senator coburn and saying it won't be terrible to raise taxes on the rich. i think we are starting to see a shift. the key is, is it just reductions or will some be willing to raise tax rates on the wealthy? that is going to be the real sticking point and ed, you heard what congressman king said. he said, look, it all has to be on the table. then you have speaker boehner saying that he wants obama care on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations in reality will that be on the table, obama care in. >> you know, this is a a genius move by republicans. they wanted to repeal obama care. they would have done it had mitt romney been elected and they can't do that. boehner has said repealing it entirely is a moot issue. but getting some concessions is probably the way to do it. in part because there are democrats who agree that changes should be made and even the president has said that it's not a perfect law. do the math. deduct i
revenue on the table. >> how's that for a profiling courage? senator graham is standing up to a pledge he made to an unelected official in charge of a group that most americans never heard of. a pledge that's 26 years old. but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess what? that political courage doesn't include ding, ding, ding, higher tack rates for the top 2%. but don't pay any attention to that. republicans want us to know that what's really important is that they are rej
want to ask you about susan rice, she is meeting with senators mccain, graham, and ayott. do you think she has explaining to do with what she said about benghazi? and would you support her if she is nominated for secretary of state? >> she's not yet been nominated. so i'm going to look carefully at her credentials, which i think qualify her very well to be nominated. i think she's done a very good job at the united nations. i do think she's explained that what she said about benghazi was the intelligence that she was given. and she'll have an opportunity as she meets with senators to further explain that position. >> do you think they're open to giving her a fair hearing? because some pretty tough things have been said about her. >> well, it's unfortunate that much of that discussion has gotten so personal. she does need to get a fair hearing. i'm hopeful senator mccain is a patriot, i think he'll give her a fair hearing. i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her expl
cain and lindsey graham are so busy attacking susan rice. well maybe it's because -- think about this, if the president can't appoint susan rice, then he would have to appoint john kerry and that would open up a massachusetts senate seat for scott brown. so it could all be a way of getting back another republican in the united states senate. don't know for sure. just sayin'. all right. we'll look into that and a whole lot more here but first standing by with today's current news update, lisa ferguson in los angeles. hi lisa. take it away. >> hey bill, thanks. good morning everyone. as president heads to meet with leaders of the business world this afternoon politico is reporting that john boehner and his leadership team are making plans to meet with some of these very same executives. now the irony here is that obama and boehner still have no plans to meet themselves face-to-face. the two did meet before congress' thanksgiving recess along with the other two three members of the house and the senate. they had plans to
director mike morrell met with john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte over what rice knew the in the days after the deadly consulate attack in benghazi. all three claim to be more troubled after this meeting. >> we're significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time. >> clearly the impression that was begin, the information begin to the american people was wrong. in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely, it was wrong. >> and within the past hour the white house once again defended ambassador rice. >> focus on some might say obsession made on comments made on sunday shows seems, to me, and to many, to be misplaced. >> and the ambassador herself made this statement only a short time ago. it read in part, quote, i appreciated the opportunity to discuss these issues directly and structurive wi them. the administration remains committed t
cain, lindsey graham from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey graham. also joining him was senator joe lieberman. today sh after meeting with ambassador rice, joe lieberman chose not to join the baseless criticism of ambassador rice. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your
mentioned, while senators graham, ayotte and mccain are focused on what susan rice, ambassador rice said on the sunday talk shows, they are not asking any questions at all about the real questions about security there at the consulate in benghazi. that's where their interest and focus and ire should be pointed. not at a u.n. ambassador who went on the sunday talk shows as a spokesperson for the administration giving, imparting the information she was given by the intelligence community. >> and susan, for those just joining us. this happened moments ago in the last hour. i want to remind everyone what the three senators had to say. take a look. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time. >> clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassador rice said today abs
. >> are you working with senator schumer, he and lindsey graham have said they are already working on a piece of legislation. >> we are. we have issues with senator schumer's specific ideas, but we applaud his enthusiasm. we're trying to get him on the set of key elements of comprehensive immigration reform that are important to us. >> where would you disagree with him? >> a national id card, we think that does not need to be part of the solution to fixing a broken immigration system. >> to you see any republican allies going forward? >> john mccain has always been an incredible on this. lindsey graham has been good. we are seeing more and more interest in the house from people that i think will make themselves more known as we get into the new year. we are incredibly excited that the coming together of the latino community in this last election has awakened a bipartisan agreement that we need to act on immigration once and for all. we look forward to making it happen. >> what are the odds and we go over the cliff or get some kind of deal? >> i pray to god that we reach an agreement as a nati
lindsey graham, kelly ayotte and -- >> they were upset. john mccain over the weekend. >> john mccain backed up. >> so it's really cool when she said i'm sorry. >> she did the brave thing and went right in there and said i want to -- >> how did that work. >> and talked about her initial account of the attack and explained to them she was relying on faulty intelligence and talking points from the intelligence community. >> they said? >> they said, you know what, we still don't get it. >> throw the video. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american people was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassad
including senator lindsey graham and congressman peter king. are we inching closer to some potential compromise. athena joan has been following the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> martin, with congress returning this weekend, not much public evidence of any real progress on a deal the avoid the fiscal cliff. folks here in washington are wondering if this week will prove a turning point for republicans and democrats. members of congress expressed optimism sunday about the prospects for reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts next year that could do serious damage to the economy. they also sounded warnings. >> we can and must get an agreement. otherwise i think first of all the markets are going to start reacting. >> it's not a done deal and not a certainty. if congress does nothing, which congress has gotten pretty good at doing these days, we'll go over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: staffers have been working behind the scenes to find common ground to prevent across-the-board cuts lawmakers say should concern everyone. >> i think you shou
, mccain, graham and ayotte. >> don't we all have the responsibility before we go out and talk to the american people on all five sunday morning shows for verifying those facts are true? >> the most basic information about what happened on the night of the attack, and what survivors had to say after the attack is not being provided and we'll talk more about that. bill: so you wonder then whether or not they will get the answers they're looking for. whether or not some of these questions will lead to even more questions. they will sit down in about 20 minutes from now. kelly wright is live in washington there. kelly, you're covering this morning. what is the expectation from this meeting on the hill? >> reporter: the expectations bill, they will get down to the bottom of this. at least that's what they will try to do. that is the most fundamental thing to these republican senators. they want to find out exactly what susan rice knew, before, during and after that attack. she has emerged, by the way as a frontrunner and possibly being nominated for secretary of state. if so, she w
be embarrassed, so should lindsey graham. they should be ashamed of themselves. they look like they're beating up on some woman who doesn't deserve it. >> stephanie: they look like bullies. that's why i'm glad we gave money to the trevor project. bullying is bullying. lindsey graham standing up and saying, she shouldn't have said anything. do you think they would have been screaming cover up? >> caller: i want to make one comment. i know darn well before the meeting with susan rice, i betcha anything john mccain said no matter what happens no matter what she says, we're troubled. >> stephanie: i think they set her up. they said, we're willing to listen and softening on her. they set her up so she'll come and talk to them. and then they open it up again. >> and they made sure they were closed door meetings so you wouldn't know what susan rice said, and they come at her any way. >> we're nor troubled now than before. well what did she say? >> stephanie: go ahead. >> caller: i thought it was a set up. even if she said something really good, remember our lines are going to be we're still very trouble
, the republicans are still hammering away on this issue, right? >> they are. lindsey graham charges that the obama administration has failed to respond to at least a dozen congressional letters adding that the obama white house was keen on the obama raid and should offer the same transparency on benghazi. unfair to the american people and the families of the victims of the benghazi attack to not provide the same level of defailed facts in an accounting for what i consider a major national security failure. on thursday last week, a classified section. fox news told that james clapper hid of the u.s. intelligence community was definite. his team did not make controversial changes to the talking points used by ambassador susan rice. critics say the changes like taking out the word at divide played down the terrorism angle. on tuesday this week in a total reversal. clapper's office says they were responsible for the changes. >> i think clapper has to say and has to say publicly whether he advocated the youtube video theory, whether he pressed it on the white house and others in the intelligence commun
graham, the republican from being is is being could see primary challenges this year. lindsey graham is a constant target of more conservative elements within the republican party and already seen stories about some members of congress contemplating running against chambliss in that primary. that's the big threat here. americans for tax reform spent big money this year on house races around the country and on independent expenditures. who is to say we won't see the same kind of expenditures in republican primaries coming up in 2014 and by the way to karen's point about the administration trying to use their database, their supporters to actually turn out and vote, that's the biggest challenge for the democratic party moving forward. how do you take this organization that's centered around one particular guy, president obama, and expand that to the entire democratic party as a whole? both parties are going through a real metamorphosis. it will be fascinating to watch over the next two, four, six years. >> before we get out of here, warren buffett, the op-ed in the "new york times" and
, but you don't want to say it. lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition? because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue -- does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was willing to say tax increases are not the answer. we don't have a revenue problem so much as a spending problem in washington. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to joins us to
the optics of he and lindsey graham wrongly and repeatedly attacking a much younger black woman. >> cenk: later in the program the movie about getting osama bin laden. did they get classified information for that? >> your in the wind, in the sand, in the sound of a rotor wash and you can't see anything, you know, and you imagine what it would be like to land in this place. question: why are ice breakers mints called mints? answer in a moment. (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed, joy behar. >> on my next show, debbie mazar and gabriel corcos talk tuskin cooking. and there better be snacks, just sayin'. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> cenk: susan rice is our u.n. ambassador and might be up for secretary of state. the republicans are livid about what she said in benghazi. today, they had a chance to meet with her and they were grilling rice. >> we were thinking of going with fried rice. already, anyway, ok, so mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayat were not happy with how things went. in order to explain how all this went down, we need a political correspondent, not a mini guy political corresponde
graham cannot seem to give the president even the smallest bit of credit when, you know, this is his foreign policy, this is what he talked about in terms of diplomacy over sabre rattling, and it's working? >> unfortunately, senator mccain and senator graham remind me of the kids on the playground and they need to be put in time-out. what we know is that it was important, actually, for the president and for secretary clinton to are the space they needed without all the commentary from u.s. elected officials to conduct what was a really important and catalytic diplomatic moment. >> you know, talking about having the space to actually do their jobs, republicans have been hammering the president over benghazi. frankly, they started it almost immediately after those attacks. lindsey graham today sent the president a five-page letter with a list of questions on it. here's just one example. he says, can you please account, as you did during the raid on osama bin laden's compound in pakistan, for your actions during the seven-plus hours our consulate was under attack? now, i have never hear
a statement about that. in addition to senator mccain, senator lindsey graham as well they have both been outspoken critic of what happened. not only is there a coverup but they would oppose susan rice's nomination to secretary of state. listen to what she said directly to john mccain. >> i have great respect for senator mccain and his service to our country. i always have. and i always will. i do think that some of the statements he's made about me have been unfounded but i look forward to having the opportunity at the appropriate time to discuss all of this with him. >> that's a measured and appropriate way to respond, very respectful. but let's put yourself in john mccain's shoes. do you call for a meeting with susan rice or something public, congressional hearings? how do you see this playing out? >> i think that joe should write john mccain's talking points because he sounds more measured and moderate in response. what susan rice did was defend herself, reiterate what we've been saying throughout the process, which is she was working off talking points, the documents back that up. an
in and conservatives are starting to stray with conditions. here is south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> ly violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> that's a whole nother conversation. on the issue of taxes warren buffett has written an op-ed in "the new york times" today renewing his stire to see taxes go up on people like him and him himself. in the op-ed he says people who make between a million and $10 million should see their taxable rate go up to 30% and those who make more than $10 million should be taxed at 35%. we'll be back after the break. see you on the other side. as i looked out across the battlefield at antietam. i saw the future of one great nation. but only barely, because the sun was like, way in my grill. george mcclellan, the general, hands me his pair of foster grant sunglasses, and i could see! my wife, mary todd, found them so fetching. >> he looked so fine i started to call him babe-raham lincoln. >> i was like, mary, please. >> you look like a baby,
carolina senator lindsey graham also broke ranks saying the norquist pledge can no longer be a conservative litmus test. >> when you're $16 trillion in it debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if it democrats will do entitlement reform. >> but a bipartisan consensus to raise taxes grows, republicans insist they won't budge on kaepg the bush tax rates for the wealthiest at 33% and 35%. they've expressed more openness to raising revenue by eliminating individual loopholes and deductions in the tax code and believe they have public opinion on their side. boehner aides point to a new republican poll. in the survey 61% say they prefer a deal that raises revenue by reforming the tax code, lowering rates and closing loopholes. just 28% favor raising rates on those making over $250,000 a year. shocking nobody wants to raise taxes. in national exit polls, a full 60% supported raising tax rates on americans making over $250,000 a year. it's all about how you word the questi
campaigned and won re-election on. senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions. >> late today in "the situation room" republican kevin mccarthy put a fresh spin on the talking points. >> if the gel oal is to raise m revenue what's the best way to do that and protect the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes and limiting them and keeping the rate down, isn't that a better outcome? >> once again, talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes, but a big note. raising tax rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republic
campaigned and won re-election on. senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions. >> late today in the situation room, republican kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip put a fresh spin on what seems to be the talking points. >> if the goal is to raise more revenue, what is the best way to do that? at the same time protecting the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes, and limiting them. and keeping the rate down, so you have better ground control. isn't that a better outcome. >> talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes. a big note on raising tax rates. a lot of talk, but not much real movement, at least for now. as for grover nor
cain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? >> i'm more troubled today. just to be clear, when you have a position where you're ambassador to the united nations, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation and responsibilities for that job. that'
graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't, but the point is historically the people who lose do so because the people in their state have figured that out. >> back to, i think, where you were going a moment ago, bob, it is interesting that when you look at the top two, two of the top republican senators we're talking about who are flirting to break this pledge, break with grover norquist and consider raising taxes on the wealthy they both face re-election in 2014. i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to ha
, to meet with the people you see on your screen here. you have senator john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte. she went to address concerns they have over statements the ambassador made over the u.s. mission in benghazi on september 11th that left ambassador chris stevens and three other americans dead. i want you to listen to what senator graham, republican south carolina, here, said immediately after the meeting ended. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think does not do justice to the reality at the time, and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. but here's the key. in real time, it was a statement disconnected from reality. >> and now here is senator ayotte. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today, knowing -- having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice, because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. and clearly the impression that wa
prominent republican senators, lindsey graham and saxby chambliss are signaling they are willing to give a break the no tax pledge. that is a hopeful sign, folks, because a new cnn/orc poll shows more than two thirds of americans believe a trip over that cliff would create major problems, perhaps even a crisis. cnn political editor paul steinhauser is live from washington, d.c. this morning. nice to see you, paul. so the fiscal cliff triggers back-breaking tax hikes and massive spending cuts. you've got more numbers that show what type of budget plan americans actually prefer. >> exactly. one of the big arguments, zoraida, is should it be all spending cuts to get us there or tax increases, as well? brand-new numbers just out from cnn/orc. only about one in three say whatever deal should be struck should be just spending cuts. but almost seven in ten, two thirds of americans say the plan should include spending cuts and tax increases. our poll indicates americans are not so optimistic a deal will get done and if it doesn't get done, who gets the blame? look at this right here, about 45% s
. >> reporter: another vocal critic, senator lindsey graham, is still expressing doubts about her but avoided answering whether he would still stand in the way of a rice nomination. >> when she comes over, if she does, there will be a lot of questions asked after her about this event and others. >> reporter: whether the tone is a shift in speaking or more nuanced language, the white house is all ears. >> certainly saw those comments and appreciate them as the president has said and i and others have said, ambassador rice has done an excellent job at the united nations and is highly qualified for any number of positions in the foreign policy arena. >> reporter: does the preside president -- >> i have no announcements. >> reporter: she's widely believed to be at the top of the list to replace secretary of state hillary clinton who's said she will not stay for a second term. ambassador rice came under fire for suggesting the benghazi attack that killed four americans was a spontaneous event. >> what we think transpired in benghazi is opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this
reaction from one of her biggest critics, south carolina senator lindsey graham, who will join us live. >> here's what's important, the story that susan rice told america and president obama himself told america about benghazi was that it was a result of a spontaneous event. the difference between spontaneous and preplanned is significant. patti ann: a fox news alert, walking out on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. picket lines greeting black friday shoppers at the nation's largest retailer. a brand new hour of "america's newsroom", i'm patti ann brown. gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. union workers protesting what they call unfair working conditions and demanding better benefits and pay. james rosen is live at the protest in landover hills, maryland. james? >> reporter: gregg and patti ann, good morning. this black friday confrontation here at wal-mart unfolded with a lot of sound and fury, a lot of evident passion, a bit of tension, but thankfully, no violence and it should be said no discernible disruption to commerce. the reverend dr. edwin l. jones, a
back to 1986. first it was saxby chambliss. now south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. take a listen. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table, we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> and i think that's important what he said there. only if democrats will do entitlements, as some democrats have pushed back on that. they do not think that that should be on the table. as f americans, they believe that there should be a balance between spending cuts and tax increases. about 67%, according to a new cnn/orc poll say that 29% say only spending cuts. and who will get the blame if we don't reach some kind of agreement here? gop clearly gets the brunt of the blame here. 45% say the gop, 34% say president obama, 15% say both. now as congress returns here
and even saxon chambliss and lindsey graham all said the same thing. we want revenue and are willing to generate revenue, but not by raising taxes. it is very simple. the president does not want to -- the president only wants to tax the rich because he said it during the campaign about 1 million times. millionaires and billionaires. a family of two that makes $250,000 a year are not millionaires. the problem is we are not opposed to revenue. we are opposed to a tax increases. lindsey graham said exactly that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways to do revenue. the democrats don't like those other ways. it is called growth. that brings in more revenue. and readjusting the tax code to bring in more revenue. you don't have to raise taxes on anybody. host: let's go to jim in new castle, delaware, on our republican line. caller: good morning. the reason we have to be against tax increases and for spending cuts is to just show that we are a different party than the national sociologist parted as running the white house and the senate right now. economic
of a compromise as we head for the fiscal cliff? senator lindsay graham, one of the latest high-profile republicans that says he will break the longstanding pledge regarding taxes and says he will do it for the country, but only if democrats are willing to make reforms on entitledment programs, medicare and medicaid and social security. that is big if. good morning, hope your turkey was great. martha: good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you've got this. congressman peter king and now senator bob corker say they will ignore the decades old pledge that was signed by 241 house members and senators. he says he believes it is a huge game-changer. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt. we don't generate enough revenue. capping deductions will help generate revenue. raising tack rates will hurt job creation. bill: this is the heart of the matter. stuart varney, host of "varney & company". morning to you, sir? >> this is a real shift. one
cain and lindsey graham, two foreign policy leaders have slammed rice for her initial comments about the source of the libya attacks with mccain threatening to filibuster if he's nominated. many other republicans have joined in. 97 members of the house sent the president a letter monday opposing rice. now president obama is not backing down. the white house has confirmed it's still considering promoting rice and last week the president said if mccain and graham want to go after someone, they should go after him. rice was not exactly a household name during obama's first term. but all this heat from the political players is drawing some media fire. "the new york times" maureen dowd has knocked rice as an unsavvy washington player. while the "times" editorial page came out with an endorsing of the ambassador announcing it's time to leave rice alone. jonathan capehart one of the interesting things about this debate there's a lot of talk about what susan rice has done, specifically about libya, and then there's sort of this vague idea that republicans can stop the president no matter what. take a l
senator mccain and senator lindsey graham are going to take this fight if she is nominated to replace hillary clinton. >> well, no. i mean, there's a clear question that's at stake. she was in a position of turning for t interpreting for the american public a major foreign affairs event. there are a lot of questions around that and what senator mccain and graham are focusing on is we need a lot of those questions answered before they can move forward. she's going to have to deal with that. having said that, it is not personal. it is how did she perform in terms of her role in terms of presenting that information to the american public. >> but david she has said, and others have backed it up, that she was given limited information. she was given that which was not classified. those were the talking points, that's why she was sent out. >> and if that's the case, then everything is fine, but i think that has not been proven. congressional investigations are occurring in fact looking into the intelligence. look, if she simply laid out what she had been given in terms of intelligence, then
to promise they won't vote to raise taxes. south carolina senator lindsey graham is pushing back saying capping deductions would help generate revenue. the top republic on the senate budget committee explained graham's position. >> he is conditioning any tax increase on fixing these programs, social security and medicare, particularly in making sure that they are sound for the future. so that's lindsey's position. and he has talked about accepting revenue to accomplish that goal. >> republicans continue saying they don't want to increase tax rates arguing that will hurt job growth. democrats say the middle class could be spared from a tax increase now. >> however as we continue to negotiate a responsible path forward i remind everyone within the sound of my voice of one fact. this congress is where one vote away from avoiding the fiscal cliff for middle class families and small businesses. >> republicans point to a study done by the winston group which is a republic research firm which says 65% of americans back tax reform and spending cuts over raising taxes, shep. >> shepard: we are h
, senators lindsey graham and kelly ayotte. they've been conciliatory gestures on both sides the past few days. >> i do think that some of the statements he made about me have been unfounded, but i look forward to having the opportunity at the appropriate time to discuss all of this with him. >> i give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took, and i'll be glad to have the opportunity to discuss these issues with her. >> in one sign of the seriousness with which the white house takes rice's defense acting cia director mike morell will accompany her on those senate meetings. remember it's mike morell who wrote the unclassified talking points from the intelligence community that rice was briefed on to use publicly for the sunday talk shows. last night on fox news graham said he intends to ask rice some very direct questions. >> she asked to meet with us, and i will listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi. i can tell you this, the more i know about benghazi, the more upset i am that the consulate was even open on september 11. the more
being made by mccain, by lindsey graham, and by senator ayotte of new hampshire is that this ambassador to the u.n. went on all the national shows, including "meet the press," in mid-september and basically tried to delay the news because it would get out eventually, that it was al qaeda that launched this attack. does that pass the smell test? that somebody would knowingly do that knowing the truth would be coming out in a matter of days? >> they still don't know who was responsible. there are links to al qaeda, they say, but links is a broad word. those links can take many forms. i think this is all a political red herrings. >> you're with tom ricks on this one. >> the main question is why was the consulate in benghazi still open when the administration, when even the ambassador acknowledged that the threats against the united states was rising and security was -- >> and the answer could be we had cia agents in that area -- >> absolutely. >> -- that needed to be protected. ambassador susan rice met with her strongest critics on capitol hill today to answer questions about benghazi, an
: for the record, that was senators john mccain and lindsey graham so the question is this grover norquist's last stand? here with an answer is donnie fowler. donnie of course, democratic strategist and great political operative. welcome back into "the war room." is it grover norquist's last stand? >> we can only hope. look, i think republicans should just say sign the pledge for the last election. not for this congress. it expired. there's only 39 of the 40 top senators and republicans -- six are freed. let his people go, grover. let your people go. >> jennifer: he ain't going to let them go. all of this is occurring in the context of the fiscal cliff negotiations and what lindsey graham was suggesting was that if you close some of the loopholes and deductions and revenue goes up, that's not raising taxes apparently grover norquist sees it differently but interestingly enough, there is a push then from the left as well and there are unions that have taken out ads to pressure democratic senators not to compromise. >> h
loopholes. >> lindsey graham is okay with new revenue and willing to cap deductions to get it, but only if democrats agree to reform entitlements like social security and medicare. >> i don't expect the democrats to go for premium ouci do expect them to adjust these entitlement programs before they bankrupt the company. some entilement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator dig durbin, but thinks that social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, smaller things played out long-term that give it solvency. >> and congressman peter king says nobody will get all they want, but if president reagan and speaker o'neill could get a deal, president obama and speaker boehner should as well. >> harris: let's hope that's true. thank you. right now, a child missing, city on edge and volunteers going door-to-door to try to find young dylan. also, no longer a mysteries, but an official cause. we now know why a strip club blew up and more than 40 buildings
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